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Thursday, November 08, 2007

Qoutes from Famous Preachers

Quotes from famous preachers.

I am not mentioning any names for these preachers. I also ask if you are aware of who they are you refrain from naming them in any post you make. I want to discuss their views in this blog, and how to spot false teachers, not expose the teachers themselves. So please read and let me know if these are false doctrines, which means teachings by the way. Maybe you agree with these quotes your response is welcome as well.

Do you agree with this famous preacher?

Adam was a super being when God created him. I don't know whether people know this, but he was the first Superman that really ever lived. First of all, the Scriptures declare clearly that he had dominion over the fowls of the air, the fish of the sea - which means he used to fly. Of course, how can he have dominion over the birds and not be able to do what they do? The word "dominion" in the Hebrew clearly declares that if you have dominion over a subject, that you do everything that subject does. In other words, that subject, if it does something you cannot do, you don't have dominion over it. I'll prove it further. Adam not only flew, he flew to space. He was - with one thought he would be on the moon.


How about this famous preacher?

"I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is...The biggest one in the whole Bible is God...I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least - that's a big loss, man....Now, the reason you don't think of God as a failure is He never said He's a failure. And you're not a failure till you say you're one."





Do you agree with this famous preacher?

“This is part of the problem with continually insisting that one of the absolutes of the Christian faith must be a belief that ‘Scripture alone’ is our guide. It sounds nice, but it is not true. In reaction to abuses by the church, a group of believers during a time called the Reformation claimed that we only need the authority of the Bible. But the problem is that we got the Bible from the church voting on what the Bible even is. So when I affirm the Bible as God’s Word, in the same breath I have to affirm the when those people voted, God was somehow present, guiding them to do what they did. When people say that all we need is the Bible, it is simply not true”


“The people who eventually wrote all of this down [the Bible] weren’t sitting there with their hand and the pen moving as if controlled by some outside force.
The writers of the Bible had agendas”

Do you agree that Adam did fly and went to the moon?

Do you agree with our second quote that God is the biggest failure?

Would you agree the only reason He is not a failure is because he did not call it failing?

How about our third and fourth quote.

Would you agree that scripture alone as our guide is not true?

Would you agree that we can’t really be sure the Bible is the Word of God because some church voted on which books to put in the Bible? (not how it really happened)

Do you believe, like this preacher, that the writer’s agenda, and not God’s agenda won out in writing the Bible?

Does it seem odd that of the over 40 writers over a two thousand year period all had the same personal agenda? Or would it make more sense to realize that there was one agenda that worked out the writing of these scriptures?

The preacher of the third and fourth quote finds it hard to believe that,” God was somehow present, guiding them to do what they did.” I have heard some say he has a low view of scripture, I would say that he has a low view of God. His god is not sovereign or powerful enough to give us his word and deliver it purely to us in a way we can understand. His god is sorely lacking in ability, power, and wisdom.


One thing you can learn from these preachers is that

1) Not everyone that preaches is preaching the Word of God.
2) Not everyone who uses the Bible believes the Bible is the Word of God.








6 comments:

Ken Silva said...

Silver and gold I don't have, but such as I have I share today:

http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=4131

corey said...

I think you're misreading the third quote. I don't think he's saying he finds it hard to believe that God could be present in the writing. I think he's saying that it's necessary to believe that the Spirit of God was present at the time of the writing. So to say that we "just need the Bible" is incorrect because we also need the Spirit who aided in writing/inspiring the Bible as well as is necessary for interpreting/understanding the Bible today. We need the Bible AND the Spirit of God.

terriergal said...

I have heard most of those quotes before and boy... I am appalled that people buy them, but yep they do. NO I don't agree with them.

Corey - the Holy spirit works through the word. Without the Word we don't have the Holy Spirit. So... your point is moot.

corey said...

Without the word we don't have the Holy Spirit? Do you mean word = Jesus or word = written down Bible? Without Jesus we don't have the Spirit. But without the written down Bible we don't have the Spirit? That's heresy.

Ken Silva said...

corey,

You making this much harder than it needs to be. When the genuine Christian says we: "just need the Bible," we are including the Holy Spirit because He wrote it and we know H elives within us to teach it to us.

You said, "Without Jesus we don't have the Spirit." The better way to say this is: If one is not regenrated (i.e. born again) he does not have the Spirit. And he cannot understand anything from the Bible correctly.

Here's where of friend from G-Rap rings hollow. This point is correct: "So when I affirm the Bible as God’s Word, in the same breath I have to affirm the when those people voted, God was somehow present, guiding them to do what they did."

However, for whatever reason, this is mis-stated: "the Reformation claimed that we only need the authority of the Bible." The Reformers did NOT say we only need the Bible; what they said was: God Himself has given us His Word in the Bible as the final authority to interpret the Church, not the Church to interpret the Bible.

Maybe now you can see why the Emergent rebellion against the Bible aka the emerging church hates Sola Scriptura. They want to have "community" i.e. church interpret the Bible instead of God deciding what should go in in His Church through our preaching and teaching His inerrant and infallible Word i.e. the "Apostle's doctrine spoken of in Acts 2:42.

Franklin Reeves said...

Coery,

I do not beleive I am misreading the qoute. The person qouted is saying that to beleive the Bible is the Word of God is to beleive that God was present when it was cannonized.

By implication he is saying that he does not beleive that.
He appears to not beleive God was present at the cannonization and therefore does not believe it the Word of God.